The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. 7. 1. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Reviews: 0. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. 6th. . Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. bluepride1234. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. I see through many eyes. Follow 16580. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. TOAA is a god for gods. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. 3080. ago. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. I. 115 26. ago. . Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. Oldfather 18. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. s. Oldfather 18. Forum Posts. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". 8 years ago. In general as the Supreme Beings. PR Beyonder Stomps. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. and he isn't omniscience. #28 ovy7. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Followers. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Agreed. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. 3. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. -Everything in bleach. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Max Deen. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. vs. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. It is as Cosmic Reign says. Follow 1. -5. Manhattan's league. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. The Classic Beyonder. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. ago. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. ". Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. 10 years ago. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. Minstry_of_pain. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. This could also be used as. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. Yeah All Mighty Wins. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. Preparation. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. Beyonder vs The Celestials. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. s. . Probably thanos as he seemed to. . #14. 4 years ago. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. If this. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. ago. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. 0. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Neutral these battles dont make sense. Reactions: Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer. SCP 3812. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. At least, not anymore. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. @TheLegendary32 said:. 9 years ago. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. u/nullfather can attest to that. PR Beyonder Stomps. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. Minor nitpick. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Forum Posts. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. Everything that takes place is his dreams. Wiki Points. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Dude’s absolutely broken. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. I dunno. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. on the other hand Lucifer said to be half of the presence power so infinity divide by 2= infinite. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Follow 1627. In general as the Supreme Beings. This. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. 0. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Forum Posts. both teams have omnipotent. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. The One Above All has no equal. 56 results. 11 years ago. ago. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. itsirk. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. TOAA will absolutely win as he represent the writers/Stan Lee/Jack Kirby but its interesting to note how similar origin is Primal/Over monitor & Pre recton Beyonder is , Beyonder was million times. If he was defeated then he’s not the. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. Max Deen. So I might be missing something. Reply. . no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. 2. Spectre probably. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. LT is basically the will of TOAA, representing the editors and acts only when they have written themselves into a hole. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. #1 Nicholas_Jones. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. SCP 3812. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. 5 years ago. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. No one is that powerful. " im sick of Beyonder. 5 T. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Both have absolute 100% control. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Kitsunw. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. TOAA in fact survived. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Stalemate. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. 0 coins. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Yasin Rap said: The one above all is not included, but pre-retcon Beyonder & the whole Beyonder race is. Now House Of Ideas 13. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. 1. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. [deleted] • 8 yr. Nope. 9. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. What they dream up with goes. Jayfournines. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Forum Posts. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. 14 years ago. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. The glory (Dr. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Current TOAA's Omnipotence is local, virtually isolated and heavily dependent on functional integrity of the Marvel Multiverse Framework or System while Beyonder is beyond any of that. Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Khael. Forum Posts. . The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. s. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. . If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. Team stomps 50% . #1 KingOfAsh. Then things get more murky. 33. Ok, this is what I thought. Wiki Points. TOAA is omnipotent. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. 2. Thanos wins. TOAA mops the floor with these two. I'm thinking Thanos. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. TOAA is above all. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Jack Kline can’t do shit. There would be no fight. I think the idea. beyonder Yep, lol. beyonder Yep, lol. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. 12 years ago. s. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. Beyonder would be stomped. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. @hyperbeing said:. beyonder vs toaa. At least, not anymore. Ima go with byonder. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. beyonder Yep, lol. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Not once. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Hykuu. The Beyonder in.